September 19, 2007
Post mortem: Lucky Star
Well, 24 episodes over and done with. Last ep was a little cheap, I thought... almost too much of a grab for the same kind of ending Azumanga had, but we didn't grow up with these characters the same way we did with the Azu crew.
Every last Lucky Star character was the same at the end of the last episode as they were from the moment they were introduced. That's not to say that they were one-dimensional, but they didn't change, didn't mature, didn't develop. Konata never learned anything. Miyuki never got it together. Tsukasa never got a working alarm clock. Kagami didn't ever actually smack the hell out of Konata. The one time it looked like we might actually get some character development, just after the concert scene, it turned out to be nothing at all, and then we were inundated with new characters who didn't change either.
I won't deny it was funny. But it's the kind of dry, bitter humor you get when you see a part of yourself in the characters; Konata is way too much like us, unreasonably so, even with her dad the way he is. There's lots of room to laugh at otaku, and I did laugh a lot at them. And the interplay of Konata and her "norm" friends was generally funny - both sides a little skeptical of the other's perspective and all.
Lucky Channel started off funny and refreshing, but quickly got too wrapped up in its own gimmick. Okay, a little studio backbiting is funny, but twenty shorts in, I just wanted Shiraishi to kill Akira and have done with it. And then he almost did, and I was quite happy. But not happy enough to ever want to bother with that part of the show again - if I buy it when it comes out over here (doubtless in a cheap box, I can't imagine buying this show disc by disc), I'll be skipping the Lucky Channel segments.
Still a success. But a classic for the ages, it's not; it's not even the best otaku comedy show this season, though Hayate was pretty stiff competition to run against.
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Saimoe update 9/19
Okay, now that's a little more like it. Tomoe cruises to a win over barely-there Miki from Hayate and very-barely-there Yukari from Shana, and Konoka squeaks by Mikan with a mere eight-vote margin of victory. One motivated voter with a silver tongue could have turned the round upside down and made me a slightly less happy camper. (What can I say? Konoka's cute.)
A2-4 was over weeks ago. The only question is whether Nagi will poll a thousand or more than a thousand. She definitely feels like a tsundere character that's calibrated right - not just an evil witch with the occasional bit of remorse, but a genuinely likeable (though profoundly weird otaku-ish) girl with a sharp edge here and there. Competition's almost not worth mentioning - one of Konata's classmates that hardly showed up and made almost no impression when she did, and did anyone even watch Kashimashi? ;p
The competition is much fiercer in B2-4. CC's got the stronger voting record, a nice butt, and Pizza Hut sponsorship. Chikaru went a long, long way last year, though, and put up a respectable fight right up until she ran into Fate in the semifinal. Possibly she benefited from being on the right side of revenge voting against other characters, but it can't be denied that she has her adherents. Compared to the other two, Urutori can't really hold a candle here...
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Chikaru's hit list last year was:
Rika
Shinku
Rin
Other then maybe Shinku none of the other characters has much in the way of anti-votes.
Posted by: Xellos_-^ at September 19, 2007 07:17 PM (12gxe)
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I watched Kashimashi. Even liked it a bit. But I'm not participating in this thing, so that doesn't count.
Not like I wouldn't vote for Nagi anyway.
Posted by: Wonderduck at September 19, 2007 08:52 PM (+7VNs)
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Undoubtly Nagi will win, but this would mean Shana vs Nagi later on? Ouch, what a decision.
Posted by: VitaminC at September 19, 2007 09:14 PM (Ffdnf)
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I'm actually looking forward to the Shana vs. Nagi bout if that's the case. Shana season 2 will have probably two episodes out by then, which will make at least myself reconsider if I should blindly vote Nagi or not.
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September 18, 2007
Saimoe update 9/18
Izumi rides the Hayate train to victory over Konomi and a barely-there Sia, while Konata triumphs over Nayuki. Surprisingly low vote total for the Konata/Nayuki match - both characters actually lost votes from round one. Nayuki also had a relatively large number of fake votes for an early round, while Konata had virtually none. Interesting, that... either the Lucky Star people didn't consider Nayuki a threat, or the emphasis on other characters and resulting reduction in Konata-time on screen is hurting her popularity. (Could be beneficial in the long run, though, if there's significant voting strength there but not voting; they can always pile in when Konata hits Isumi next round. On the other hand, if they're really not there...!)
Hayate's characters are really having an advantage of the voting schedule, with a character in each of the first five days of voting in round 2. Today, Miki from Hayate takes on Tomoe from Rozen, with Yukari from Shana in as a wild card. Three secondary characters from shows with strong voting blocks, but Tomoe was MIA in the last OAV, so it's been a long time since she's shown up. Then again, we haven't seen the school (or Miki) in quite some time in Hayate. Yukari, of course, has been gone since very early in Shana, but if you think of her as "also Shana", that could account for some of her popularity here... and the new season of Shana is just around the corner, which could light her fire just in time.
My instincts tell me to go with Konoka in B2-3. I don't trust them, though, because I haven't seen any Manabi Straight, and Hidamari Sketch does bad things to my eyes. (Abnormal character aspect ratio, owwie.) The promotional pics people are posting of Manabi just make me want to hit her, for some reason - I think I'm associating the safety helmet with old Mega Man gaming sessions. On the other hand, I've always liked Konoka as one of the few Negima characters worth the ink to put her on the page. So personal prejudices are definitely slanted that way; the fact that her round 1 performance also topped the other two, and none of them really have a meta-game reason to do well or poorly, doesn't argue against that.
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...and Ellis is left a small, smoking grease stain.
Why do I feel that my favorite character from Hidamari Sketch will end up the same way?
(...and why did the subbers that were working on HS disappear? Why? WHY? With 3 episodes left, for heaven's sake???)
Posted by: Wonderduck at September 18, 2007 08:17 PM (+7VNs)
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Both your questions probably have the same answers. Never got around to seeing Hidamari Sketch being that it aired around the holiday seasons and I was in Japan during that time. Is it any good?
Posted by: VitaminC at September 18, 2007 09:22 PM (ULDpd)
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<i>Yukari, of course, has been gone since very early in Shana...</i>
I'd say so. She was killed about 3 minutes into the first episode. And it looks like she's got no better chance here.
I really did think Sia was going to do a lot better than that. A bit embarassing; I predicted she'd win.
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at September 18, 2007 10:22 PM (+rSRq)
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So, how many years before somebody gets together a "vote for the worst" bloc and elevates some inanimate-object / joke-character into the final rounds?
Posted by: Will at September 18, 2007 10:36 PM (pqGaZ)
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It's happened. In 1998, People Magazine had an online poll for the most beautiful person, and they permitted write-ins. Someone started a viral campaign on behalf of Hank the Angry Drunken Dwarf -- who won it.
Or should have, based on the votes. The editors DQ'ed him.
In the case of this contest, I can't see there really being enough people who'd care for anything like that to happen. But you do have to wonder whether characters like Yukari and Chigusa from Shana making it this far are the result of some sort of protest vote.
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at September 19, 2007 12:43 AM (+rSRq)
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There was also a trap who got into the round before this one, wasn't there?
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at September 19, 2007 12:44 AM (+rSRq)
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I'm not too surprised they made it in, their round 1 groups were pretty weak; Chigusa won hers with only 399 votes. I'm more impressed at how many secondary Hayate characters made it to round 2 when three of them hardly get any screen time, and Izumi even making it to round 3 where she will be crushed by Shana.
Here's to hoping next week's episode of Hayate will give Nishizawa a chance against Teana in E2-4.
Posted by: Syanaide at September 19, 2007 02:25 AM (GI5vf)
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Not likely. Too much chance of either (a) extreme heroism, (b) tsundere finale, (c) lesbian undertone overload, or more likely (d) all of the above in next week's Strikers finale.
Hey, I like nom-nom-tan, but she's Miss Average in an over-the-top comedy - Hayate was one-hand wielding a Nambu in last week's ep against something that wouldn't have looked out of place in Gurren Lagann, after all. Teana's a tsundere with magic guns and ALSO Miss Average just because she's constantly surrounded by the equivalent of minor demigods...
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VitaminC, I liked Hidamari Sketch quite a bit. "Slice-of-Life" doesn't even begin to describe it. Put it this way: people like to say that Azumanga Daioh has no plot (I disagree, but that's neither here nor there).
In comparison to Hidamari Sketch, Azumanga has more plot than a cemetary.
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September 17, 2007
Saimoe update 9/17
Shana fans proved the stronger, as she pulled out a 160-vote victory over Eva, with Kanaria and Kallen polling negligible amounts of votes. In the other match, Isumi destroyed all comers with a commanding thousand-vote finish, crushing Siesta and Yui. The Shana victory isn't a surprise in retrospect - I'm informed that the sequel starts in two weeks, so she's going to get an unusual late-round boost. Isumi's just plain cute and is featured heavily in last week's and this week's episodes.
Tough call in A2-2. Sia and Konomi are major characters of shows with a moderate fan base; Izumi is a minor character in a show with a huge fan base. I'm not terribly familiar with TH2 or Shuffle either, sad to say. Izumi's got a bit of an advantage in some appearances two weeks ago, but is it enough to put her in over main characters? Probably not...
B2-2 is another no-holds-barred match, pitting the Kanon and Lucky Star fandoms against each other right off the bat. Konata has the early advantage, with higher vote totals and a fan base that can deliver truly large amounts of votes if they all decide to get off their butt. Nayuki can't count on that kind of support, but she isn't the same kind of threat in the long run, so she may benefit from non-Lucky Star fans (or just plain Konata haters) taking the opportunity of a close match to sink Konata's chances. On the gripping hand, voting for your moe character on 2ch is absolutely Konata-ish, which may help things for her.
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Posted by: Wonderduck at September 17, 2007 10:29 PM (+7VNs)
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It looks like the vote totals are back up again. The low totals late in the last round seem to have been the result of fatigue, and probably also of obscure characters, but now we're playing in the major leagues and there's going to be at least one big-name character from a popular series in nearly every round from now on.
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at September 18, 2007 12:09 AM (+rSRq)
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I just saw
a post with screen grabs for the last episode of Lucky Star. Konata is dressed up as a Yuki-witch for the cultural festival -- and is guaranteed a win in this round because of it. I don't see how she can lose. (But of course, that means I've hexed her.)
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at September 18, 2007 12:21 AM (+rSRq)
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Darn you. I was going to save that for tomorrow, but now I went and watched it. Agreed, and it'll help Kagami too, though I don't know if the bump will persist long enough for Tsukasa and Miyuki. (The dancing is even more moe than the Yuki costume.) Or rather, if this had happened before round 1, Yutaka would have taken Nanoha out.
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I havent seen the last episode of Lucky Star yet, but if Nanoha were to lose in round 1, geez there would be some very upset Nanoha fans, which could hurt Lucky Star characters later on. Like supposedly it could have caused Konata to lose to Nayuki today.
Posted by: VitaminC at September 18, 2007 01:42 PM (ULDpd)
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Both LS and Nanoha air on the same date so while Yukuta got a boost form the final, Nanoha would have gotten a boost form her Starlight Breaker Plus.
Posted by: Xellos_-^ at September 18, 2007 03:07 PM (12gxe)
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But Nanoha only airs on that date in Kanagawa - the Tokyo airing is almost a week later. ;p
Posted by: Avatar_exADV at September 18, 2007 05:22 PM (LMDdY)
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you are telling that otaku form 2ch doesn't download raws?
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Have you SEEN those raws? My buddy doesn't call them the "eye cancer release" for nothing. And Nanoha Strikers, love it though I do, isn't exactly beautiful-looking to start with...
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September 16, 2007
Saimoe update 9/16
Kicking off round 2 with a real train wreck of a match - Shana vs. Eva vs. Kallen vs. Kanaria. Only forty-nine votes separated the pack in the first round, and of course, we know that Shana and Eva's support was dead even. I'd like to see Shana walk away with this one, honestly. Kanaria's running off nothing but pure series mojo, Kallen never really grabbed me, and I really don't need to see lolis in lingerie. Still, way, way, way too close to possibly call.
B2-1 is a bit easier - Isumi not only has the voting advantage, but is coming off a long stretch of trying to find Rio via the Japanese subway into the most moe part of the storyline for her. Perfect timing. Yui, on the other hand, has been missing in action for weeks, and Siesta has been overshadowed by the new batch of girls from Zero's new season. Strong competition, but Isumi will take the win.
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How many total participants in this round?
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at September 16, 2007 11:21 AM (+rSRq)
Posted by: Xellos-_^ at September 16, 2007 11:31 AM (WvS/g)
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You could at least count 'em, Xel.
There's a total of 97. Thirty-two voting matches of three participants each, except for the one today with four because of the tie. Next round it'll be down to 32.
Second-round bracket picture
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Posted by: Avatar_exADV at September 16, 2007 11:38 AM (LMDdY)
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The numbers are how many votes they got in the first round?
Looks to me as if Matsuri faces stiff competition from the cute girl who likes poison (Rika) in G2, but if she wins that, she's got easy sailing through the next round.
It's a bit disturbing how many Rozen Maiden characters won through. I count Kanaria, Barasuisho, Shinku, Suiseiseki, Sugintou, Tomoe, Souseiseki -- 7. That's a lot of characters from a single series.
It's even more disturbing that Hanaichigo wasn't one of them. You'd think that if any of those characters were moe, it'd be her.
Other comments: Sia's got easy sailing through this round (A1). Chika (C1) is going to be a smear on the pavement against Nanoha. Miu (D1) is going to be one of many heads mounted on the wall by Rozen Maiden. Fate (H1) will have a real struggle avoiding the same fate.
Chigusa (G1) will fall under the Ayu train. Yukari (A2) may actually win through this round, which would really be weird.
Long, long, long shot prediction: the final will be Rozen Maiden versus Lucky Star, but I'll be damned if I know which character from each.
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at September 17, 2007 05:08 AM (+rSRq)
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Hinaichigo is the most infantile of the
Rozen Maiden dolls and she gets annoying very quickly, cute though she may be. I'm more surprised by Kanaria and Barasuisho, who aren't particularly interesting characters.
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Sia's quite possible, given that she's up against a TH2 character (none of them are getting heavy amounts of votes) and a background character from Hayate... except that said Hayate character pulled the "I'm going to flash the bike shorts under my skirt at Hayate" trick that helped launch Hinagiku's popularity a couple of weeks ago. We'll see what impact that has in the long run.
Hina's the least popular of the Rozen dolls and was up against a Kanon character in her round, even if it was just Makoto. Not a good draw for her. Most of the other Rozen dolls either had a weak first round (Kanaria, and Tomoe had pretty weak competition) or are perennial high-vote drawers in their own right (Shinku, Suigintou, Souseiseki, Suiseiseki.) Only real surprise was Barasuishou, who got a significant number of votes I wasn't expecting.
Dunno how they're going to affect the larger tournament, though. Suiseiseki and Souseiseki can't both advance out of the same block, and either of them would have to come through Tsukasa from Lucky Star - tough but not insurmountable. Tomoe is roadkill against Nagi from Hayate, as is Kanaria if she somehow made it out of her round today, which ain't likely. Bara is up against Hayate from Strikers in the third round. Suigintou has Fate in the second round and either Mai or Louise to worry about in the block final. The only Rozen doll without tremendous competition to buck is Shinku, who should be all right until the block final, which is looking like Teana from Strikers at this point (and even Teana out-polled her in round 1!)
Nanoha Strikers has nine characters still in the poll, but there's going to be a significant amount of mutual fratricide going on - they're all packed into four blocks. Likely to end up with the three captains plus Teana in the long run. Ironically, this is Chika's very very best possible shot at getting out of C1 - there's always the danger of a vote split when you have two very moe characters from the same series going at it, and everyone who wants Nanoha the hell out of the bracket will be piling on someone else. (Unfortunately, as of last week, we know what happens when Nanoha and Vivio get in a fight...)
Hayate the Combat Butler is another series to worry about, as it were. Seven competitors left in the tournament, two of them with thousand-vote polling potential in the first round (not even counting the one with that kind of voting that lost!) And there's still Kanon to consider too - even though the voting intensity isn't quite as high, there's still eight of them kicking around.
Early on, it all comes down to mobilization of the fan base, which is why Rozen and Nanoha have an advantage early - as shows that have been here for a couple of years, they have relatively organized support groups from the get-go. Lucky Star has the advantage of timely popularity, if it can get those fans to vote. Finally, Hayate's the only one of those shows that isn't over or about to end, so it has the potential of fresh moe injections at a crucial point (whereas the last Lucky Star has aired, there's only one more episode of Nanoha this season, and Rozen is already running off its OAVs...)
Posted by: Avatar_exADV at September 17, 2007 06:53 AM (LMDdY)
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It looks like Konata has a very decent change of winning both parts of B1. I think it would be really cool if she won the whole thing, because she's an otaku, just like most of the voters. And it could happen; she is not only moe, she's also got geek cred.
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at September 17, 2007 12:35 PM (+rSRq)
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...decent chance... that should have been.
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at September 17, 2007 12:36 PM (+rSRq)
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As far ongoing series helping thier character in Saimoe. I think Nanoha just her chance to advance in spite the anti-Nanoha block. Her starlight breaker along with Fate's sonic form/twin zamber just fire up the fanbase.
Also even after the StrikerS ends there is still a ton of fan stuff being release. First and foremost is the 4komas that is release every week.
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Konata has a reasonable chance of going all the way, really. Not what I'd call a good chance, though - she attracts a bit more hate than Kagami does, much the same way Haruhi attracted more hate than Yuki. She's got so much personality that there's more to dislike, no? ;p
I'll talk more about Nanoha in a few days when their rounds come up - don't want to blather endlessly about it. Safe to say that I definitely follow the Strikers Nano strips (but, er, they will stop when the show does, unless he does a few of the sound stages again.) 'course, that's true for all of these characters nowadays.
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September 15, 2007
Saimoe round 1 wrap-up: Elegy to the Fallen
Well, the first round takes forever, huh? Downside to having so many people in the tourney is that there's a lot of not-really-moe to plow through. But there were spots of excitement... which were all caused by two strong characters hitting each other in the first round, sending one of them home early. So here's a quick list of the deserving, who put up a good fight and would have won if the draw hadn't been mean to them.
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Saimoe update 9/15
Surprisingly, Misaki from NHK managed a 26-vote victory over Lutecia from Strikers. (Now watch this weekend's episode of the latter contain some incredibly moe scene with her!) Louise stomped the Sky Girls combo handily. Finally, Eri pulled out a victory over Kuroi from Lucky Star, showing that she had at least one more in her... or was it tsundere-lovers spilling over from Louise? Who knows.
That's it for the first round. I'll post wrap-up and post-round commentary later. Today's a break, so voting in the second round will commence tomorrow.
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Posted by: Steven Den Beste at September 15, 2007 03:49 PM (+rSRq)
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Beats "SaiGAR", the 4chan-originated male equivalent of Saimoe, celebrating machismo. (I appreciate the sentiment as much as the next guy, but I don't feel the need to vote on it!)
Played any Touhou, Steven?
Posted by: Avatar_exADV at September 15, 2007 04:03 PM (L270l)
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I've never even heard of it.
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at September 15, 2007 06:08 PM (+rSRq)
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Er... you did just post a link to a Touhou-type Saimoe knockoff, right?
As far as the games go, if you've ever played an arcade-type shooting game like Galaga or 1942... take those games and turn up the difficulty to "slit your wrists". That is a Touhou game on
easy. Even on normal, the sheer amount of incoming fire is enough to evoke a fight or flight response, and I'm not exactly a rookie when it comes to that sort of thing. It's physically intimidating!
Posted by: Avatar_exADV at September 15, 2007 06:42 PM (L270l)
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I was just wandering around following links, and ran into that post, where they talked about the SaiMoe contest, and then started talking about this alternative English-language equivalent.
It wasn't until after I'd posted the link here that I found out that all the characters in question were from some video game, evidently the one you mention.
I don't know a thing about it, however.
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at September 15, 2007 07:30 PM (+rSRq)
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Heh heh. I don't recommend it. Not because it's not fun, but even I don't have the reflexes you really need for it anymore - I'm running the ragged edge of my ability even on normal mode, and seeing someone play it on Lunatic, I'm just in awe - you're not so much dodging bullets as zipping from one tiny safe spot to another, at that level. The entire rest of the screen is filled with enemy fire.
Even Saimoe's not all that big, if you sit down and think about it. Few thousand voters at peak levels, maybe 20% of whom are non-Japanese. So maybe 1% of Comiket attendees?
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I was never into twitch games. The only FPS I ever enjoyed was Duke Nukem 3D. My thing in gaming was always turn-based strat games, the so-called "fourex" games (Explore, Expand, Exploit, Exterminate).
But I pretty much stopped gaming about ten years ago. I just lost interest in it.
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September 14, 2007
Saimoe update 9/14
The Nanoha fans struck back yesterday, pushing Fate over virtually no competition with a whopping 1100 votes. This goes beyond showing support - it's definitely a response to Suigintou's impressive showing yesterday, and bodes very well indeed for the second-round rumble to come. Clearly a lot of fans are spoiling for some revenge on Rozen. (Of course, since we're talking about some highly moe characters here, doubtless some of Fate's thousand-plus and Suigintou's nine hundred plus are the same people. Decision time, guys!) Mai from Kanon pushed past a strong challenge from Seto's Mawari, while the Mai from Otome fell to Akazukin's Ibara-hime in a fairly close match.
Last day of first-round voting. Whew!
H-4 is a bit of a tough call. Misaki from NHK isn't quite normally moe - to put it bluntly, there's enough wrong with her head that it's a bit of a turn-off, but not enough to make her a scary/sexy yandere. But she did qualify out of the first prelim, while Lutecia only did from the second... even though Lutecia's vote total was higher, due to differing round voting totals. I get the feeling that this would be a lock two weeks from now - Lutecia's complete "befriending" has occurred, but we haven't had the almost-obligatory final episode moe scene to really hammer it home yet. Gotta give it to Strikers anyway, though (and it's not like being loli-Rider is going to turn voters
off, huh?)
H-8's a bloodbath. Two girls from a relatively unpopular show versus one of the biggest tsunderes of the season. Sure, Louise is bitchy far beyond any kind of normal bitchiness, and I'm pretty sure she'd lose in a direct battle with Nagi from Hayate (who has virtually all of her good qualities and few of her bad ones.) But even all the Sky Girls voters put together wouldn't be enough to topple her here, much less split between two girls.
H-12, now, is a great match to close the round with. Eri did very well last year, being one of the most popular characters in School Rumble - but School Rumble's popularity has flat-lined this year, with not even Yakumo managing to make it into the next round. Little chance of a Lucky Star split - I don't even know which of Tsukasa's and Kagami's sisters Inori is, while Kuroi is basically adult Konata as a teacher. Not much more than cute, not a major character, but a combination of fang and MMO playing may be enough to turn out the Lucky Star crowd. If she does about as well as Yui, the other adult from Lucky Star, and Eri does about as well as Yakumo, the other School Rumble moe-idol, then it'll be an extremely close round indeed.
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The revenge is on Desu not gin.
Posted by: Xellos-_^ at September 14, 2007 09:12 PM (soxPR)
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Desu comes later. ;p (If indeed they wait that long. Prime candidate for a bit of strategic voting.)
Posted by: Avatar_exADV at September 14, 2007 10:52 PM (LMDdY)
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OK, it's obvious there's a reference here I'm not getting. What do you guys mean by "Desu"? Obviously not the copula, unless you're talking about the girlie affection of overusing "desu" at the end of sentences. (Bel Bel the fairy, in Petite Princess Yucie, does that. Since her voice is Kaneda Tomoko, the result is cute beyond imagining, approaching 0.8 of a Matsuri.)
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at September 14, 2007 11:17 PM (+rSRq)
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Glad to see Mai moving on; she's my favorite character in the entire tournament. Think she'll be able to handle Louise?
You remarked in your last post that Mai would have the best chance of beating the Gin/Fate winner. While that seems rather unlikely at first (she doesn't really compare to either in popularity), the Rozen Maiden and Nanoha fandoms are large and vindictive, and there's a decent chance we'll see a revenge vote from the defeated faction.
To answer Steven's question, "Desu" refers to Suiseiseki from Rozen Maiden, nicknamed for her use of the same speech pattern you mention. She won the tournament last year, and seems to be a rather polarizing character. If Saimoe was the NCAA tournament, I think Suiseiseki would be Duke: she has lots of fans, but at least as many detractors. Of course, basketball games aren't decided by the teams' popularity, so the analogy kind of falls apart there.
Posted by: Andrew F. at September 15, 2007 12:39 AM (a6ydJ)
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To steal from Fark: "Duke Sucks."
Posted by: Wonderduck at September 15, 2007 12:54 AM (ywZa8)
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A lot of people don't like Suiseiseki just because she's a terrible person. Conniving, selfish, self-absorbed tsundere with practically no "dere" to her.
And a lot of people don't like her in the context of Saimoe because her rounds tended to suffer from incredible bouts of fake voting. Not just a couple hundred, but literally thousands of fake votes were generated. This was not typical for the late tourney, but it was typical for any round Suiseiseki happened to be in. While I have to say that in a twisted sense, that kind of tactic matches her perfectly, it still left a nasty taste in a lot of fan's mouths.
Honestly, because of that, this year she doesn't really have a chance at all. (Doesn't help that the new Rozen Maiden didn't have much of her in it, and also that former winners don't tend to repeat; it's hard to get to the top of the bracket without making some enemies.)
"Desu" because of the Suiseiseki-centric memes that were spawned last year. If you missed them, be thankful. But she's hardly the first character with the "lots of desu" speech tic - first one I worked on was Kurumi.
I like the concept of measuring moe in Matsuri-units. ;p
Posted by: Avatar_exADV at September 15, 2007 10:51 AM (LMDdY)
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Someone told me one time that the unit of angst was a "Rei". Of course, when I posted that, someone else pointed out it really should be a "Shinji".
Of course, if you set your unit that high, then you have to start using prefixes like milli- and micro- when talking about anyone else.
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at September 15, 2007 02:18 PM (+rSRq)
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Death to Desu is one of the most popular campaign themes this year
And speaking of Eva, Rei, Asuka and Misato will be up for Next Year's Saimoe. It will be interesting to see how the Eva girls will do. Asuka is the modern day Tsundere and Rei spawn the silent girl type.
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September 13, 2007
Saimoe update 9/13
Suigintou wins by a landslide, pulling in an impressive 900 votes even with relatively little competition to motivate people to show up. Alicia trounces her round, if not as impressively. (I'm tempted to comment, but all I can think of is "oh my, oh my" or "fufufu"...) Takano wins the third round, riding what has to be pure series moe, being loathsome and not even really attractive. (Or what, did she suddenly get a sex scene in the new season or something?)
H-3 is all Fate, all the time. Last year's semi-finalist has actually had a hard season, going from oh-my-god-take-her-home moe in A's to a kind of protective "mommy mode" with young wards of her own in Strikers. But last week was her climactic action scene, complete with a return of the fanservice-oriented costume (though it must be said that now there's something to fill it out!) Still, the season's had more than a little Fate cheesecake, lingerie shots, and coy flirting with the audience about her romantic inclinations, so yeah, this one's over before it started. Too bad, Milly, you could have made it to the second round ordinarily, but just not today.
Two months ago I'd have called H-7 for Mai from Kanon and went home. It's a bit tougher now - as both the "good cop" and the "childhood friend / normal love interest" in Seto no Hanayome, Mawari's got some decent backing of her own. Left to themselves, I think Mai has the edge (if for nothing more than bunny ears-version, and the ballroom scene.) But it's close enough that a group wanting one less Kanon character in the tournament could see her off handily... then again, if anyone in H block can see off the winner of the Fate/Gin matchup, it would be Mai. Should be close, anyway, and I can't say I'd be upset either way.
Compared to the other two, H-11's pretty sedate. Ibara-hime from Akazukin has a bit of an advantage in voting-total history, but it's nothing impressive. Mai from Otome's just not the same character, and while Sachiko is popular as Marimite girls go, well... that's as Marimite girls go.
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September 12, 2007
Yup, that's me
Author spots me in the credits of RahX. I felt that this show was just about the high point of my work. It's not the most impressive or the most time-consuming (Excel and Eva are both in there, heh), but it was the one that came together perfectly. Sure, I was spoiled silly from helping work on the translation, but them's the breaks, and we polished it up about as well as it could be done.
I'd effuse about Shoko here, but I try not to embarrass her. I'll just say she's the best. She's enough better than "good" that I wouldn't actually have been able to appreciate the difference if I hadn't worked with her for years.
Ending was a bit disappointing, not because it wasn't good, but because by then we'd come up with a couple of pretty solid scenarios that would explain the whole mysticism of the show consistently. (Yeah, yeah, I should have learned better with Eva. But this was a show specifically made to succeed in things Eva failed to do!) We were interested in which one of them better fit what the original Japanese writers had in mind, because the translation mattered here and there - nothing major, mostly for tone and motivations of some of the characters, but we wanted to get it exactly right.
So, having an unusual opportunity, we fired an e-mail off to the Japanese production staff, who was unusually interested in the translation - even to the point of asking us to maintain the name order of the characters (which worked out anyway, 'cause the Malaysian pilot used Western order convention). Response came back mostly "duh? We weren't really thinking about it that hard," or polite phrases to that effect. Kind of a let-down, though it's better that it be something that we had to ask about rather than the train wreck at the end of Eva.
Oh, and the disc isn't authored to go back to English at the end of every episode - leastways, the original release wasn't, that much I can vouch for. There's a few players out there that will do wonky things with your language settings between titles, but that's a defect of the player, not the disc.
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Saimoe update 9/12
No surprises yesterday. Satoko's winning vote total was comfortable but not all that high for a Higurashi girl. Then again, she has neither the sexy plus evil jolt of the older girls, nor the unfortunate adorableness of Rika; the story's just brutal to her, not that we're talking about a show full of flowers and dancing. The bracketing is ALSO brutal to her - being third fiddle in the upcoming Suigintou vs. Fate battle will not be kind.
Shamal limped to a victory over Gretel. Scary to think that she actually got an action scene recently - her first since ep 2 of A's. If they'd just left her on the back burner for the rest of the show, she might not have pulled this one out. No comment on Ringo's victory, just don't know the shows.
H-2 is already over. Suigintou was always one of the serious contenders in Rozen Maiden, and the OAV that qualified all the characters this year was all Suigintou's story. Sorry, Manaka, Koyori, but you're two very moveable objects in the face of unstoppable moe.
H-6 isn't nearly as cut and dried (well, what is?) Alicia has a significant vote advantage on her own - decent performance in the first prelim, and hell, I like Aria. Reinforce was pretty moe on her own, for all that she was a bit tall and emo back in A's, but she's not a patch on her replacement and Rein Zwei already lost. I seriously doubt a strong effort to push her through - there's four Strikers characters in group H1 and she's probably bottom of the list. I also remember Steven mentioning that he was shocked that Margery even made the tourney, so we probably shouldn't expect too much out of her.
[Edit - it occurred to me that if you're a bit violent, a bit emo, and have black wings, you could do a
lot worse than having your round on the same day as Suigintou. So who knows?]
H-10 is a race for last place - three characters from the bottom half of the second prelim qualifiers. I only know one of them, and frankly, I'd vote for a random character just to vote AGAINST Takano. (Maybe not for Jun. But pretty much anyone else!) Heard Nodame was pretty good, but not to the point that I've grabbed any to watch yet...
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I read somewhere that the operational definition of "moe" was "a character you felt like hugging" (without saying why).
Margery Daw isn't like that. She's a brassy-blonde-battleaxe-with-big-boobs. (Seems like there are a lot of those around, you know?) She's hundreds of years old. She drinks to excess. When she's drunk she tries to molest high school guys. The character changes during the series but she's never "cute", though she does become a bit more sympathetic at the end.
Unless there's some sort of massive Shana-fanboi groundswell here, I don't see how Margery Daw can make it through this round. But there may well be such a thing, considering that Wilhelmina got into this round too. Man, if anything, she's even more repulsive than Margery Daw. (She isn't even fun to watch. Her costume hides her figure, assuming she has one.)
Wilhelmina didn't win A-2 but she did put up a stubborn fight, so maybe there really is such a groundswell.
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at September 12, 2007 06:23 PM (+rSRq)
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Wilhelmina has a meido fetish advantage.
Form what was posted on AS, doesn't look like Rein is getting any crossover votes form the fans of the other emo black wing.
But then again this is Rozen Maiden vs Nanoha fandom.
Posted by: Xellos-_^ at September 12, 2007 07:09 PM (12gxe)
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The canonical fetish maid has a short skirt. Wilhelmina's maid costume looks like a nun's habit.
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at September 12, 2007 11:15 PM (+rSRq)
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Per Steven's operational definition, a moe character should induce Misaki-like behavior in the viewer. Now all we need is some sort of scale for magnitude.
Posted by: Will at September 12, 2007 11:27 PM (pqGaZ)
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Exactly. And that's why Matsuri from Ichigo Mashimaro is the most moe character of all time in anime. (Not to mention that she's voiced by Kawasumi Ayako.)
Hell, she even does that to Nobue. (Not that that's difficult, Nobue being the kind of rather-strange person she is.)
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at September 12, 2007 11:46 PM (+rSRq)
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havn't you guys heard of nun fetsihes :p
Posted by: Xellos-_^ at September 13, 2007 12:13 AM (VCRDp)
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Actually, though, nun moe is particularly under-represented in Saimoe. There's few nun-type characters to begin with, and those typically exit early. Rosette last year did precisely squat. Two of 'em from Strikers didn't even make the tourney (granted, no wimples...)
Possibly the nun fetish is just too Western? Or it's displaced by the (definitely operational) miko moe, which has most of the same attributes without the absolute vow of chastity? ;p
It's tough to separate moe from pure popularity - I agree that Matsuri is ten pounds of moe in a five-pound bag, but that doesn't mean she's going to win the tourney here. Then again, if one of the operational definitions of moe is "the ability to raise a horde of supporters"...
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The whole nun-fetish... thing seems (to me at least) to stem from man's natural instinct/drive to *ahem* seed chaste/virgin soil. That doesn't sound like
moe to me, unless I'm incorrectly purging a sexual attraction aspect from
moe's rather broad definition. On the other hand,
moe is a Japanese concept, and that's all that needs be said.
Posted by: Will at September 13, 2007 10:14 AM (SOx9v)
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Japanese nun-fetish is due to the fact that they don't really understand what nuns are about. It's one of those western things they've borrowed for their entertainment without really full assimilating.
There's a nun in Petite Princess Yucie. Arc makes an unserious pass at her, and isn't uncomfortable doing so, and she doesn't seem offended. It bothered me a moderate amount, and then I wrote it off as an indication of their lack of understanding of what nuns are really about.
Their version of Christmas is a bit strange, too.
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at September 13, 2007 11:13 PM (+rSRq)
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havn't you guys heard of nun fetsihes :p
It's a habit.
Posted by: Wonderduck at September 13, 2007 11:16 PM (ywZa8)
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So are you saying that they'd find nuns more attractive if they understood what nuns were about, or less? It's definitely not one of the major moe categories, and not even really represented as a sexual fetish...
I can live with Christmas as a secular holiday that's basically lovers and Santa for the kids, plus the ever-present big tree downtown so the pure little girl can wish for the star on top, heh. But what I don't get is the cake. Cake? Christmas cake? How did that start?
Posted by: Avatar_exADV at September 13, 2007 11:23 PM (LMDdY)
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No, I think that if they really understood nuns, they'd abandon the nun fetish. At least I'd hope they would. But you never know; this is the culture that gave us furries.
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at September 14, 2007 02:28 AM (+rSRq)
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Just to shove my oar in to the whole nun-moe issue, I think the Japanese understanding of nuns (or the anime understanding, at least) is that they're basically Miko without the whole "ojou-sama" thing miko characters normally have
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September 11, 2007
Saimoe update 9/11
No close matches yesterday. Alice ran away with her round, and the Higurashi tag team of Mion and Rika absolutely destroyed their opposition.
Finally into the last voting block of the first round. After yesterday, I don't think anyone honestly expects Satoko not to take H-1 handily. Chitose from Hitohira did quite well in her prelim, but with a relatively small vote total - that's what you get for being in the first day's batch, I guess. Even if it holds up percentage-wise, it's not enough to be a serious challenge.
Shamal's definitely one of the weaker Strikers characters - not that she's not good-looking, but it's in an older and more voluptuous sense. (Then again, don't underestimate the attractiveness of women who don't age!) She'd be easy meat for a serious competitor, but matched up against characters from Black Lagoon and Kitarou, series mojo alone will be plenty.
Don't know how to call H-9. Ringo has the early vote advantage, but Ami's close enough to be within striking distance, and I haven't followed either Akazukin or Idolmaster (though the latter is reputed to be a lot better than you'd think from a show about idol singers and giant robots.)
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September 10, 2007
Saimoe update 9/10
Vote totals didn't really recover yesterday, but the rounds were pretty interesting nonetheless. Eruru never had to worry about a vote-split with Touka, and came in first over Rimone from Simoun. Gretel from Akazukin eked out a victory over Karada (and both of them smashed Yukari, Miyuki's mom, from Lucky Star). Finally, in a white-knuckle finish (or is that a white-haired finish?), Matsuri from Strawberry Marshmallow barely squeaked by Ichiko from Otome wa Boku ni Koishiteru.
Incidentally, what the heck is the short form of Otome wa Boku ni Koishiteru? I can't just call it Otome, that confuses it with the Mai-Otome series.
Alice from Aria is pretty certain to dominate G-4. Yukiji, despite being the older sister of Hinagiku, is not particularly pretty and has an annoying personality; she's Yukari from Azumanga without the niceness or good looks (and I damn with faint damns here.) Solty did all right last year, but her weak performance in the prelims shows that it didn't stick with the fans.
The other two rounds are both Higurashi vs. Gurren Lagann. Both Mion and Rika have a significant advantage to start with - Higurashi had the highest average vote of any show (its characters didn't poll the highest, but they ALL polled high.) On the other hand, Nia was a fairly new and somewhat annoying character when the first prelims happened, and aging a few years didn't hurt her at all, whereas Darry went from obnoxious little brat to good-looking girl in the same time frame. (Can't comment on the character - stopped watching the show when it got licensed, but I see plenty of screen shots around.)
I think that having Darry and Nia together will help Darry's vote total somewhat, but I don't think it'll be enough to topple either Groundhog Girl or the pistol rig.
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September 09, 2007
Saimoe update 9/9
Very low vote totals yesterday - but some interesting results from that. Akari won her round, no surprise there, as did Nono from Hitohira. The surprise of the day was Chigusa from Shana coming up with the win, with perhaps the lowest vote total of any winner so far, just under 400 votes. Ah well, even if it means she's cannon fodder for Ayu in the next round, making it that far isn't trivial.
Lots of secondary characters in the rounds today. G-3 is likely to go Eruru, simply based on last year's performance - both she and Aruru went quite far in the 2006 tourney. G-7's much tougher to call, mostly because I haven't seen two of the shows involved. Yukari has some clumsy mom power, though not quite MILF-style, but there's no telling if the Lucky Star fans will bother turning out for her. The last round, I have to favor Matsuri, who is indeed moe beyond any kind of reasonable standard, even if she's not wearing the kitty hat.
Edit: Got my hands on the first-round voting data for these characters. Turns out that Gretel from Akazukin and Karada from Asatte no Houkou both had relatively high vote totals in the first round. Haven't really heard much of anything about either show, though...
Ichiko in G-11 qualified from the first prelim, but with fewer votes than Matsuri got in her ninth-place finish. I still give this one to the girl with oddly variable hair.
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It seems the only way Chigusa could do this is by winning the "apathy" vote. As it were.
By all rights Matsuri should clean the floor with her opponents, but given the way this thing's been going it's anybody's guess whether she really will.
It's just an impression, but it looks to me as if fatigue is starting to set in, and the vote totals are going steadily down as people get tired of the whole business. Probably that will kick back up again in the next round, but I'd say the guys running this have made it too long to keep people interested. (Except for the raging fanboys. And you. And me.)
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at September 09, 2007 11:14 PM (+rSRq)
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When you have low level characters this is the kind of result you are going to get.
The votes total for 9/10 should go back up with Mion and Rika.
And the H block will be quite high with several High Power characters up for voting several days in a row.
Sugintou
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Posted by: xellos-_^ at September 10, 2007 11:31 AM (12gxe)
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There was definitely a fatigue element last year; heck, this year's better in that respect, as at least there's some popular characters in the last couple of blocks.
To put it bluntly, voting's a pain in the rear. If there's no real moe from your perspective in any of that day's matches, you're not gonna bother voting. (Well, maybe if you're driven by some devious tactical reason to favor someone who's
really moe in your book? But that's unusual.) Show popularity is still a very strong indicator - Chigusa didn't win because she was super-moe, but because enough Shana fans would vote for anything Shana to put her in first place.
I think setting up the block brackets works against Saimoe here. Matches without popular characters don't draw a lot of votes on their own, and when the winner of those matches is just going to run into a S-class moe-bomb in the next round, why bother? Perversely, they tend to drive more voters to the rounds with popular characters, because how those popular characters finish will actually matter in the wider tourney too. But on the other hand, that's a big part of the point - if they randomized the bracket every round, it would just be a war of all against all, and tactical alliances would be impossible or stupid (because you never know if the character you're aiding this round will be matched up against your very-favorite moe next round.)
I do think it could stand to be a little smaller/shorter... the first round is plenty long and has lots of no-hope characters. You could reduce it in size by a third, convert the second round to a one-on-one instead of a best-of-three, and not really lose any popular characters.
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September 08, 2007
Saimoe update 9/8
After all, Ayu did manage to beat Reinforce, with a hundred-vote margin, amidst some pretty heavy numbers of faked votes. C'est la vie; it's not like Ayu isn't the world's cutest taiyaki thief, so I wish her well. Sayuri won along with Ayu, ironically with the exact same vote total, which is almost uncanny. Not EVERYONE who voted for Ayu also voted for Sayuri, right? Right? Ayane from Nagasarete won a much-closer match over Yakumo and Mana.
G-2 is a tough call, mostly because all three competitors are relatively weak. I'll give it to Kaguya from Geass - cute, but small role. Possible that a big Shana or Utawarerumono vote could come in for Chigusa or Sakuya respectively, but I doubt it.
The action should pick up in G-6; Akari took second in her first prelim round, and there's still some Aria voters kicking around, even if they haven't been advancing through the tourney much. Hime from Kaibutsu Oujo did decently in the first prelim, but that show's just not popular enough to keep Akari out of the next round.
Not sure how G-10 will come out. Ironically, Nono from Hitohira got fewer votes than Arf from Strikers in the first prelim, but the vagaries of their respective rounds meant Arf came in fourth while Nono was kicked to the second prelim (where she won, heh.) Not familiar with Hitohira myself. Arf, unlike the other returning Strikers characters, actually got younger; a friend of mine suggested that this was evidence of the Law of Conservation of Hotness between her and Fate. While we mourn the loss of what was one of the truly magnificent rear ends of the 2006 anime season... Arf took her sweet time showing up at all in Strikers, but now that she's shown up, it may help her votes.
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Well I can't say I'm not upset over Rein losing, but I guess it helps the other StrikerS later on. I just liked Ayu the least out of the 5 main Kanon girls I guess.
Posted by: VitaminC at September 08, 2007 03:06 PM (m/oM5)
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It was rumor on 2ch that Rozen Maiden doll fetish fans were behind the large number of fake Rein votes.
Posted by: Xellos-_^ at September 08, 2007 03:12 PM (12gxe)
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I seriously doubt that Chigusa will win G-2. It's weird that she even got this far. (M**F vote notwithstanding...)
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at September 08, 2007 06:23 PM (+rSRq)
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You can say MILF here, Steven. (Or rather, wouldn't you star out the F? Or is it like SNAFU, where it'd translate to "mother I'd like to feed"?
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Saimoe update 9/7
Block G voting starts today with a bang; with the possible exception of Maria vs. Kagami, G-1 is the match of the round. Both Ayu from Kanon and Reinforce Zwei from Strikers won their respective first prelim, with only a single vote separating their totals. No clue which way it's going to go - it's starting off balanced on a knife edge, so even a few votes from some uninvolved faction could tip it. If anything, I have to give the edge to Ayu. Rein started off almost impossibly cute (the picture of her eating a cherry tomato the size of her head ought to be in the dictionary under "moe"), but she's played very little role in recent episodes, somewhat upstaged by her antagonist-counterpart, the Etna clone. Ayu, well... Kanon was old before the remake ever ran, so her fandom definitely hasn't dropped off just because she hasn't been on the screen this week. Further spoiling the issue is Kamu - even though Utawarerumono isn't exactly the biggest vote-getter, her third-place finish in the first prelim proves that she's in possession of quite a few fans. If she pulls more heavily out of one of the other girls' fan-bases, the other one will win...
G-5 has another Kanon character, Sayuri. Not my personal fave, but she's much more moe than her nearest competition, Revy, who's... busty, sure, but a bit too obnoxious to really be moe. Or maybe Revy's just in the wrong kind of show? Combine that with Ayu's coat-tails from G-1 and it's a landslide.
G-9 gives us Yakumo from School Rumble versus Ayane from Nagasarete and Mana from Sola. Interestingly, both Ayane and Mana qualified from the same first prelim round, with Ayane coming out on top. Yakumo finished a different round with considerably more votes... but it was the last round of the first prelim, while the other two were in an early round, so we have to take the vote totals with a grain of salt. I have to say that I like the character Yakumo, but at the same time, School Rumble hasn't had the drawing power that it did last year.
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Ah.. I've been waiting for this. G-1 shall be epic either way if one wins they'll end up losing soon. With both characters being heavy contenders if Ayu wins you can expect some anti-Kanon factions and vice versa. In this one I'm hoping that Rein can pull a victory here. ^^
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Being a huge
Kanonista (and creator of a friggin' Ayucentric AMV), there's no way I would pick against the living dead girl.
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September 06, 2007
Saimoe update 9/6
Blowout city yesterday. Asuna wins by 300 votes, Tsukasa wins by 450 votes, and Souseiseki wins by 500 votes (though Tsukasa actually got the higher vote total, as she's the only one who had competition.) Should make for interesting times in Block F, with the two -seiseki dolls, two Lucky Stars, and San all thrown into the mix.
No votes today. Tomorrow comes the storm, and all that...
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Mecha shows that aren't gadget shows
Author comes up with a list, some of which I have to endorse heartily.
I showed Dai-Guard to my co-worker, who really doesn't enjoy mecha shows. He absolutely loved it. He wonders why it never showed up in a Super Robot Wars game. "But isn't it the best mecha series they ever made?" Yes, yes, it is. But it's not really a series for younger fans... not because it has anything objectionable (at all), but because it's Dilbert with a big robot. You have to have held down a job to appreciate it in full, I think.
He enjoyed Nadesico well enough, though we bogged down in the filler in the back half of the series; don't marathon it.
I'm not sure I'd classify Sakura Wars as a mecha show. It has mecha, but they're not really the focus of the kind of "oh cool!" geekery that you get in a lot of other shows; they're ugly and dumpy and more than a little silly, and sometimes you get the idea that the characters would actually do better just getting out and fighting without 'em. But here, the TV series suffers from low budget, and the OAVs assume you've played all the games. I enjoyed the TV series...
Also, not sure how you can endorse Gurren Lagann in one paragraph (which, don't get me wrong, is fine by itself) and mention that you have to stop before you get to the absurd. The show's a celebration of the absurd - big robots with completely arbitrary abilities, and one of the finest examples of "fighting spirit trumps numbers". Then again, it's not over yet, and Gainax and endings... Stopped watching when it got licensed, but I'll haul this one in when the time comes.
For similar reasons, I enjoyed the Shin Getter Robo series, but mostly because I was working on it - the story's a weird hash that's practically impossible to follow. But if you want huge robots fighting weird tentacle-things, and pure outright cheese, it's hard to do better.
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I am a big fan of both Dai-guard and Nadesico. Best deal i made, paid $10 for and some other anime for the entire set of Dai-Guard.
Shin Getter is great if you like cheese but i did fine the middle part a slow and hard to get through.
btw Avatar, since you were in the anime industry i was wondering if you could answer this questions. Is there a reason why anime companies hardly ever release anime in Gatefold cases? I just got my Slayers Season 1 and I love the fact that it came in gatefold cases instead of the crappy brick packs.
Posted by: Xellos-_^ at September 06, 2007 10:45 AM (12gxe)
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Every time someone does that, lots of people complain about it. You're the minority opinion, man. ;p
Posted by: Avatar_exADV at September 06, 2007 06:01 PM (LMDdY)
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Since I never heard the word "gatefold" before, I had to search for a description. Now that I know what it is, I can report that Naruto Uncut by VIZ is the only set thus packaged in my collection. BTW, Japanese DVDs come in much nicer transparent plastic boxes with latches in the corners. I suppose consumers paying 5 times more get to demand better containers. Maybe. Or maybe it's simply a cultural thing.
Posted by: Author at September 07, 2007 04:19 AM (9imyF)
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Both parts of "Twelve Kingdoms" came that way. So did one of the "El Hazard" collections. And Funimation is using them for the new round of re-release of DBZ.
I hate that package format.
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at September 07, 2007 08:50 AM (+rSRq)
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September 05, 2007
Saimoe update 9/5
These'll get posted later in the day - new job, new hours. Sorry that it's a bit less fresh, but hey, I need income!
Yesterday's Seto round was a textbook example of two characters splitting the vote and a third running off with the win. Iinchou won slightly over Maki, and both of them together would have mopped the floor with Rain... but Rain's 510 was enough to pull out a win and knock at least one strong competitor out of the running. Miyuki won her round (okay, I didn't talk about Ayano because I haven't watched Kaze no Stigma, but that wasn't really a close match - Miyuki took almost 50% of the vote!) Finally, the voters demonstrate that they really like their crazy girls, picking Kaede over Manabi.
Today's F-4 shouldn't really be that close, though not the blowout I'm expecting in the next round. Sure, Suzuka (that is, her picture in a photo album!) took more votes in the first prelim than Asuna. But we've seen that the other picture-characters haven't translated their early votes into victories so far, and I don't think Suzuka's going to do any better than Arisa did a few days ago. ('sides, all the Strikers fans are resting up for Friday's showdown...) I like Mikoto as a character, but she's not in the running here.
Kuuya did pretty well in the first prelim, but up against Souseiseki, F-8 is a foregone conclusion. Even if the Rozen voting bloc isn't quite as huge as it's been in times past, Sou did take second in 2005. (Still strikes me as a bit sad. She's not moe! She's BOY. Maybe it's just reflected glory from her sister?)
F-12 is shaping up to be one of the closest matches of the first round, though. Both Tsukasa and Machi won their first prelim outright. Hate to say that Nagasarete is still in the "watch later" pile, so I can't really comment on the relative moe levels. Even so... Machi's win was as much due to low opposition as super fan response, and we've seen the formidable power of the Lucky Star vote again and again. But of the big three in the show, I'd say that Tsukasa is probably the least popular, and she's been a much smaller part of the show since the addition of the new characters. If the Nagasarete fans can get organized, this would be a golden opportunity to punch Tsukasa out of the tourney...
(One bit of side commentary - we talk about how ongoing series can benefit characters by keeping them fresh, but it's kind of sad when you see a character get eliminated shortly before they get a huge boost late in the season. Without spoilers, after having watched this week's Lucky Star, I'll say it's a damn shame Kanata's round already happened - she'd have gone far if she had a round in block G or H!)
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in E and F and but not G and H.
Especially H, Feito-chan, Gin-sama, S&M louise, Bunny Girl Mai.
G has Chibi-Rein (see AS avatar), Uguu, Nipai and other Symmerical Docking Mion.
Posted by: Xellos-_^ at September 05, 2007 11:38 PM (JBSY3)
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Where oh where did AFK go? The last ep of Lucky Star they released was #19...
Posted by: Wonderduck at September 06, 2007 12:43 AM (+7VNs)
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And it's been almost a month since AFK released the last SZS episode.
Posted by: Will at September 06, 2007 09:19 AM (SOx9v)
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September 04, 2007
Saimoe update 9/4
Again, another day of weak voting returns - one match took in exactly 1000 votes, and none of them hit 1300. Aruru won, as expected. Momoko managed to pull out a victory over Pachira by 60 votes - but the world's strongest bride is probably the tournament's weakest winner, as we've had plenty of rounds where the third place finisher pulled in more than 427 votes! Finally, Aika pulled in a strong victory over Montmorency, showing that embarrassing comments are indeed still prohibited.
F-3 is all Seto no Hanayome, pitting Maki the tiny assassin against the nameless, clumsy, bespectacled Iinchou (class rep). Maki has certain advantages - goodness knows being very short and murderously bipolar is no handicap in this competition - but the clumsy girl moe presented by Iinchou is a formidable challenge. The latter pulled in significantly more votes in the prelims, as well. With another competitor, it's entirely possible that a split vote would sink both of the Seto competitors, but Futago Hime just isn't the show to do it.
I would be shocked, amazed, and flabbergasted if Miyuki didn't take F-7. Sure, she's a one-dimensional character. Sure, people are starting to call her "Mi-wiki" due to her enormous store of useless information. But she's more or less designed to be inoffensively moe in one of the most popular shows this season, and the opposition is fairly weak. (Not that I have something against girls who jump through time! But c'mon, against a clumsy girl who's blind as a bat without her glasses and lives in mortal fear of the dentist's drill?)
F-11 puts a couple of strong competitors from some second-rank shows up against each other. Manabi Straight hasn't really had a whole lot of voting success this far, but Manabi herself has a shot. She's up against Kaede from Shuffle, one of the original yandere characters. (Not sure about the origin of the term. It's obviously meant to contrast with tsundere, but instead of being both sweet and prickly, yandere girls are alternately sweet and completely insane. Think Rena in one of her Oyashiro moods...) Kaede has the voting advantage, but only a small one - Manabi came in just behind the top eight in her first prelim round and won the second prelim outright.
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Magipoka just can't get any love. Sob...
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at September 04, 2007 02:00 PM (+rSRq)
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Donno think it's more troublesome that Ayano got completely overlooked in the F-07 matchup. KnS may not have been the biggest show this season (god knows the weak budget Gonzo handed out reflects that). But as the result showed Ayano didn't just fall easily. Though it is sad to lose against not such a huge character from LS.
Posted by: FlareKnight at September 05, 2007 09:08 AM (TZEnq)
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